Curse

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 25, 2009, 09:36 AM // 09:36

Looking for approval/comments before I add to the sticky. Note that I did this pretty much in one sitting so I might have forgotten something. Self-heals and Rez Sigs were sometimes added to fill up slots. [[FGJ (PvE)] pops up in pretty much every builds because they turned out adr based (can't go wrong with a cleave spammer

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This link is useful - http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Warr...uick_reference

I'll add proper build notes and full BBcode when I add it to the sticky.

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Originally Posted by Prophecies only builds

Sword

[Hundred Blades][Sever Artery][Gash][Galrath Slash][Frenzy][Rush][Conjure Flame][Resurrection Signet]

*Elite isn't awesome but it's the best you'll get.

Axe

["For Great Justice!" (PvE)][Eviscerate][Executioner's Strike][Penetrating Blow][Disrupting Chop][Frenzy][Rush][Conjure Flame]
["For Great Justice!" (PvE)][Cleave][Executioner's Strike][Dismember][Penetrating Blow][Frenzy][Rush][Conjure Flame]

*Generic Cleave/Evis spam

Hammer

["For Great Justice!" (PvE)][Earth Shaker][Crude Swing][Crushing Blow][Counter Blow][Frenzy][Rush][Resurrection Signet]

*Tried an Earth Shaker adaptation, seems ok, but haven't tried it

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Originally Posted by Factions only builds

Sword

["For Great Justice!" (PvE)][Standing Slash][Sun and Moon Slash][Dragon Slash]["Save Yourselves" (Luxon)][Frenzy][Dash][Resurrection Signet]
["For Great Justice!" (PvE)][Sever Artery][Gash][Sun and Moon Slash][Dragon Slash]["Save Yourselves" (Luxon)][Frenzy][Dash]

*Godmode adaptation, will be fine without Brawling Headbutt

Axe

["For Great Justice!" (PvE)][Cleave][Executioner's Strike][Dismember][Disrupting Chop][Frenzy][Dash]["Save Yourselves!" (Luxon)]

*Generic Cleave spam

Hammer

["For Great Justice!" (PvE)][Enraged Smash][No Skill][Yeti Smash][Mighty Blow][Frenzy][Dash]["Save Yourselves!" (Luxon)]

*Note the new function of Enraged Smash. Haven't tried it, though it works in theory

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Originally Posted by Nightfall only builds

Sword

["For Great Justice!" (PvE)][Crippling Slash][Gash][Whirlwind Attack][Flail][Enraging Charge][Lion's Comfort][Conjure Flame]
[Hundred Blades][Whirlwind Attack][Sever Artery][Gash][Flail][Enraging Charge][Lion's Comfort][Conjure Flame]

*Generic Conjure Cripslash

Axe

["For Great Justice!" (PvE)][Cleave][Executioner's Strike][Dismember][Agonizing Chop][Flail][Enraging Charge][Conjure Flame]

*Generic Cleave spam

Hammer

["For Great Justice!" (PvE)][Devastating Hammer][Overbearing Smash][Mighty Blow][Whirlwind Attack][Flail][Enraging Charge][Conjure Flame]

*Yuck. NF only Hammer builds are hard to work with; [[Devastating Hammer] and [[Magehunter's Smash] are the only hammer elites. [[Battle Rage] maybe?

Picuso · Jan 25, 2009, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Nice. Very Nice.

But I found a "small" mistake: In your "Factions-Only Hammer Build", you suggest [Crushing Blow], but it's a Prophecies Exclusive skill ^^'

Winterclaw · Jan 25, 2009, 07:37 PM // 19:37

No warrior's endurance builds for proph? No 100 blades builds for non-proph games? I mean 100 blades+whirlwind would be a lot better than cripgash whirlwind.

You forgot a factions triple chop axe build.

How about [magehunter strike] plus a dervish attack for NF hammer?

Also what if someone didn't want to go W/E or W/A (in factions)? Mending touch might be a good suggestion for NF instead of the conjure. And a high-armor warrior could also get some use out of rebirth. Since hammers have knockdown, you can also consider holy strike/soulstone strike builds.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 25, 2009, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

No warrior's endurance builds for proph? No 100 blades builds for non-proph games? I mean 100 blades+whirlwind would be a lot better than cripgash whirlwind.

You forgot a factions triple chop axe build.

How about [magehunter strike] plus a dervish attack for NF hammer?

Also what if someone didn't want to go W/E or W/A (in factions)? Mending touch might be a good suggestion for NF instead of the conjure. And a high-armor warrior could also get some use out of rebirth. Since hammers have knockdown, you can also consider holy strike/soulstone strike builds

Hmmm, I didn't really plan to have a big library of builds, but if you think it'd be worthwhile then I might aswell (throwing builds at me would be much appreciated).

Forgot about HB for NF actually, I'm still in the mindset that it's for Proph-only people. It probably would be better than Cripslash, since cripple isn't all that useful.

[Hundred Blades][Whirlwind Attack][Sever Artery][Gash][No Skill][Flail][Enraging Charge][Conjure Flame]

Slot a Rez Sig?

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I don't see why I'd go /Mo just for [[Rebirth]; unless you plan to wipe then there really isn't much point. You'd be giving up damage from the Conjure, and if you wanted a Hard Rez I'd go /Rt for [[Death Pact Signet]. Mending Touch is also a bit meh imo, get the monks to clean the crap off you (I don't recall any areas in NF where theres serious condition pressure).

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About the Magehunter strike Hammer thing, mind giving an actual build?

Winterclaw · Jan 26, 2009, 12:05 AM // 00:05

I guess a res sig would be okay. If not lion's comfort because you also get adrenaline from it.

However I like rebirth because if you lose one or two people close to mobs and pull back, you can rebirth them and recover safely for a second. IMO rebirth is good for warriors because they have high armor and usually have an IMS as a cancel stance... that means they have a better chance of getting away.

Plus DPS is only good if you have factions.

I agree you'd be giving up damage from conjure if you don't go /e but you have to remember that not everyone goes w/e all the time. It might be simpler to just stick with pure warrior builds and for each campaign list a small handful of optional skills from the secondary classes.

I'll try thinking of a magehunter build. I don't really play hammer warriors and I saw that it had a cast time of 1/2 second.

To be clear, these builds are to be intended primarily for HM use correct?

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 26, 2009, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

I guess a res sig would be okay. If not lion's comfort because you also get adrenaline from it.

Ah, forgot about LC. Maybe [[FGJ (PvE)] to crank out more WA?

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However I like rebirth because if you lose one or two people close to mobs and pull back, you can rebirth them and recover safely for a second. IMO rebirth is good for warriors because they have high armor and usually have an IMS as a cancel stance... that means they have a better chance of getting away.

I disagree, and I'll wait for more opinions before I change it. Imo if you need to rez you might as well just do it there with a sig. Unless you plan to have to pull out alot, of course.

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Plus DPS is only good if you have factions.

/slap. Forgot.

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To be clear, these builds are to be intended primarily for HM use correct

Uh, not really. Just general builds for people with campaign restrictions. They should work fine anyway. It's not like a build that works in HM won't work in NM.

Age · Jan 26, 2009, 01:19 AM // 01:19

I find that in the hundred blades one that final thrust goes well with galrath slash.

_Nihilist_ · Jan 26, 2009, 11:40 PM // 23:40

[Death Pact Signet (PvE)] can't be used for Factions-only, its a Nightfall skill.

[Flesh of my Flesh] for Factions only.

Shadowfox1125 · Jan 27, 2009, 04:33 AM // 04:33

For the Factions & Nightfall hammer builds.. I tried.

For Nightfall:
This is tough, so it's horrible.
[Devastating Hammer][Overbearing Smash][Mighty Blow][Whirlwind Attack][Enraging Charge][Flail]["For Great Justice!"]

.. I gave up on the Factions one.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 27, 2009, 09:27 AM // 09:27

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Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125

For Nightfall:
This is tough, so it's horrible.
[Devastating Hammer][Overbearing Smash][Mighty Blow][Whirlwind Attack][Enraging Charge][Flail]["For Great Justice!"]

This is pretty much the problem I ran into. Theres basically no synergy between the skills, especially the elite, so you're forced into somewhat randomly spamming skills like you would in a Cleave build.

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I gave up on the Factions one.

The Factions one is looking good, despite the fact I haven't tested it. With the new function for Enraged Smash, it should act as a hammer version of DSlash (though obviously not as good).

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

[Death Pact Signet (PvE)]can't be used for Factions-only, its a Nightfall skill.

Just to remind people reading this: NF-only people can't switch to /Rt or /A so skills from those professions are useless anyway, even if they do come from NF.

Shadowfox1125 · Jan 27, 2009, 02:51 PM // 14:51

I tried to achieve synergy with [[devastating hammer] and [[overbearing smash] but of course it's sub-par. In addition, I don't find [[magehunter strike] to be effective.

I know we have [[earth shaker], but I was so tempted to make a WE Prophecies Hammer build just for fun.
[warrior's endurance][power attack][irresistible blow][hammer bash][crushing blow][frenzy][rush][resurrection signet]

Doesn't look great, but it needs to be tested.

Is [[enraged smash] really a sub-par D-Slash? It reminds me of a buffed [[bull's charge] with its kd effect.

Brazilian · Jan 27, 2009, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Maybe add [Enduring Harmony] to NF only builds?

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 28, 2009, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125

Is [[enraged smash] really a sub-par D-Slash? It reminds me of a buffed [[bull's charge] with its kd effect.

An elite Bull's Strike is how I describe it in the sticky, but since it gives 4 adr (unconditional, on a 5 second recharge) with FGJ it would fully charge SY. It's not as spamable (thus less damage) but has a KD instead. As I said, I haven't tried it (and probably won't, stopped playing regularly a while ago).

Brazilian · Jan 28, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52

I'll try to help a little, first with prophecies only skills:

Hammer:

[build=OQASE5JHhVsgtsXVr/UA]
For the Earthshaker build, using a Zealous Hammer is a must

[build=OQASE5JHCNslFsfVr/0u]

Axe:

[build=OQASEZJHRVoKFq2Vr/UA]

[build=OQYTgyYKZ6pIqoSEq4qQr4nobAA]

Sword:

[build=OQYTgyYS5ov+FwB+qa9ndDA]

[build=OQYTgyYS5ov+Fw/9qa9ndDA]

Marty, regarding the prophecies only builds of the OP, the builds for axe and hammer (specially the axe ones) are too much energy intensive (like [frenzy] + [cyclone axe] + [conjure flame], by the way, [conjure flame] may look cheap but it also means an elemental mod, so no zealous mod) and can't be used on same bars.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 28, 2009, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Uh, incase you didn't see the OP, I've already got Proph builds. A lot of those builds you posted were posted in the OP. I did make the comment (again, in the OP) that the axe builds may be too energy intensive, and I need to swap [[Cyclone Axe] for some adr attack (PS: Body Blow is EotN).

Brazilian · Jan 28, 2009, 03:31 PM // 15:31

Yes, you're right, but I just wanted to add variants (for example, [counter blow] in hammer bar, since it's ridiculously effective) and some [warriors endurance] bars. Maybe i should just have suggested to make them or only add the variant skill instead of posting it in that way ([penetrating blow] seems like a sub par substitute for Body Blow EOTN skill).